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Although I haven’t attended matches this season, as I had a sense the football might not be particularly engaging, full credit must go to Alex Revell and his management team for securing Boro’s place in league one.
Many fans, myself included, expected a relegation battle, so their achievement deserves recognition.
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Boro has certainly punched above its weight during our time in EFL League 1.
Yesterday we looked at the size of our club in terms of attendance. Based on that we should only be a mediocre National League club.
I don't think its too early to say well done to our loyal fans, the players, manager and Mr Wallet....an amazing feat.
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On for our second-highest average attendance in our entire history, despite being fucked about with and over half of our matches not being played at the traditional 3pm Saturday KO.
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I'm waiting to see the impact of Revball on the summers season ticket sales.
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I can almost guarantee that the Sky Sports deal will have a far greater impact than any style of football, but also that those who wants Revs sacked will put all the blame on him rather than that.
This season nobody really knew the impact the TV deal would have, now people know what the impact will be next season and I suspect a large number won't renew on the basis of over half our home matches not being on a Saturday at 3pm, when many cannot make 12:30 or midweek KOs, so the sheer number of them now renders a ST pointless and a loss of money.
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Chuds even I have been working out how many games I have been unable to see this season. I will see only Blackpool at the end of the season.
I watch every Boro game I can watch no excuses at home. But my family requires me to be at some family get togethers. So away games are difficult.
The people who go to the away games make the most of them. As the years go by that might shrink. I take my hat off to you guys especially going on the supporters coach. I have enjoyed away games on the coach and look forward to another EFL season in league 1.
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On this issue we still have no , I think, any published figs of what clubs are getting each season ? All I know is that apparently all clubs in same division get the same regardless of how many times selected?
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I posted it on here before.
Was something like ÂŁ2mil each, plus ÂŁ1.5mil central funding from being in League One.
Which is far higher than L2, but let's go gung-ho and sacrifice our L1 status to try to compete with clubs like Wrexham and be all "exciting" 🙄
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It'll be Sky's fault if they drop ;)
Which they won't, not much anyway, season ticket holders are the most invested, most loyal fans who generally have attended through thick and thin (and we've had plenty of both) for years.
They attend, as Chuds said elsewhere, for the whole match day experience, not just the quality of football.
For every Sev and Ratman who don't go to as many games and haven't renewed for a season or two there's a new teenager or two who've caught the matchday bug.
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Agree to some extent..But to entice the youngsters and keep them we do need some sort of success ? otherwise won't they just follow the old man and follow Arsenal or Spurs ?
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Define success.
Staying in L1 can be construed as success.
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For me yes,but for the youngsters perhaps not ?
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Then they need to get real. Success back in the day was coming home alive after an 18 hour shift down the coal mines
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Part-time huh?
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Yeah that or beating Tamworth.
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Maybe
Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 16:24:52 on 8th April 2025
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I've been to one home game this season and that's down to Sky. I'd have gone to about 5 if they weren't on TV. Go to more away games than home now.
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You live miles away I think so no problem with you, and said in my last post we need to attract local youngsters and keep them
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Agree and the only way to get more fans is to be successful, otherwise we will always have the Spurs or Arsenal thing.Yoy never few might then get hooked.
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It's entirely fair to be satisfied with our league position but dissatisfied with the quality of football you have paid to watch all season.
And it's fair to want a more adventurous approach to our play, accepting that higher reward in terms of creating and scoring more goals, also comes with higher risks.
And its fair to be nervous about next season if we have the same approach as this one and a similar standard squad, which we probably will.
What's more important, being entertained or being safe in April? Altho' both are possible... in theory.
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I was more referring to the comments about him being a clueless manager who doesn't know what he is going, and a glorified PE teacher and so on, than those (fairly) questioning the entertainment value.
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Do you think he can deliver 'flair' football?
I'm not sure he can.
I think he can probably keep us in L1 for a season or two and every once in a while his team will play with freedom and win convincingly, but as much by accident as by design.
But if we want to be an established L1 side maybe we need 2-3 stodgy, flat seasons.
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I'd love to be a fly on the wall at training and see what they actually do in their sessions (particularly the tactics-focused sessions). I'm genuinely curious how deep the strategy is (beyond basic principles) and whether the "as much by accident as by design" is down to a lack of strategy, or the players just not being good (/consistent) enough.
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Given who we have on the coaching team and the level he has worked at for years, albeit a few years ago, I'd suggest we have the capability to be very technical in training, way above the ability of our players.
Whether we actually utilise that coaching capability to the appropriate extent with our L1 footballers (I.e. we train what they can reasonably execute within their skill range whilst stretching them),
Or
over complicate it (technique and tactics way beyond their level of ability)
Or
Overcompensate for their limitations
Who knows.
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I generally get the impression we do some great stuff in training but the idea that there will be 11 other guys on the pitch trying to stop us from doing it only gets the occasional look in.
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Yet again you have totally ignored my point and gone off on a tangent. As I said, my comments were nothing to do with his entertainment values, they were about people saying he is clueless. You don't have a better winning percentage in home games (where clubs make their money) at this level than all our previous managers if you are clueless.
But if you are so adamant we are going down this route yet again...quite honestly I don't think anybody can deliver flair football with us whilst being successful at this level, on our budget, just as they never have previously.
But let us look at Cambridge, who stayed up on the last day the past two seasons and are going down this season, whilst losing almost ÂŁ3mil in their latest set of accounts. Would you rather attempt to he more adventurous and have that, or would you rather be a bit more boring and comfortably stay up each season?
Ideally you stay up comfortably whilst being attacking, but if it is one or the other, I take the one that doesn't relegate us back to L2 and playing boring clubs every week. And success at home is where you make your money as a club. If he continues having the best winning percentage at home of all our managers at this level, then crowds will continue to be good.
He did his job this season. And I am sure was more conservative (granted he appears to be a fairly conservative manager based on all evidence across all spells) because he knew it was his last chance of making it as a manager and had HUGE pressure after last season and his first spell.
Next season needs to be more entertaining, and he will be aware of that, but not at the expense of results, and if it takes defensive showings to keep clean sheets and pick up points to maintain L1 status, I tek it.
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I never said your comments were anything. I asked a question.
You prioritise L1 status over entertainment.
That's OK. (Unless we go down anyway playing conservative football, worst of both worlds)
I'd rather watch entertaining football with a bit more risk/reward jeopardy. We might still go down but we might also get playoffs. Exciting.
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A bit of a cup run would help. It’s exciting being in League One. I enjoy the oppo, the new grounds etc. Love it
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Is it?
Granted I don't go much anymore but our last spell in L1 was dull, we had our first season in L1 and it was new and exciting, and we did well. Then it turned into a grind, always battling clubs with bigger resources, losing more than we won. It just felt inevitable, like sooner or later it'll catch up with us, and we'll drop, which we did.
I'm a bit more confident that we can manage L1 now for a few seasons but we won't "do" much while we are there in terms of success without a big investor.
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I don’t need much excitement
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I'd rather we punched above our weight and battled to midtable in L1. The alternative is to get relegated just to try and get promoted again - which seems a bit "been there, done that"
I agree with the investor part - the glass ceiling is very much a function of how football as a whole is broken - L1 is weird, as it's where relatively massive clubs (Birmingham, Bolton, Reading, etc) meet small clubs like us
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Fair comment.
Maybe I just need to set top half finish as 'success worth celebrating' in my mind.
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Just remember mixing it in league games against former Premier League teams almost weekly, and beating them regularly, was what we spent 20 years dreaming of between 1990 and 2010. This is that holy grail.
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Yep. I experienced that period, and I was sitting in the norf on Saturday thinking this was well beyond our wildest dreamz
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Legend has it that the Holy Grail is in fact a very dull object.
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It's likely to be a tray of some sort, according to QI
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Was the plain looking one on Indiana Jones. Same it The Detectorists.
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In the English football pyramid, for 95% of clubs your aim is to get to the point where you get your arse handed to you every week.
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I mean 60,000 show up to get disappointed by Spurs, there's not room for every club to either be chasing honours or threatened with relegation year on year.
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I actually think that is easier to say when you don't attend many games, despite the fact it may seem it should be the other way around.
Watching football on TV is dogshit, it simply serves a means if unable/unwilling to go to the game as you can still watch your team. But I hate it. It is not the same. It is boring. And not just us either. So if watching that way you need to at least have entertaining stuff on show. And you feel more distanced and more disassociated from your team, so winning doesn't feel as important. I am never as into it when watching on the TV, goals for or against are mostly "meh", and my annoyance or delight pretty much ends as soon as I turn it off, as opposed to staying for some time after the final whistle if having been at the game. Part of that being the whole match-going routines we all have.
Whereas if live at the game and going to every home game, I am absolutely in it, every goal and decision and every result gets you fully going, your team winning is the most important part. Good football is secondary to the result. And playing sides like Charlton and Huddersfield and Birmingham most weeks in L1 is infinitely better than playing Accrington and Morecambe and the like in L2. So results and L1 status is the main objective.
And ultimately, our home form (where most of our fans attend games) has been very decent, and it isn't like most of the home games have been shit either, so we aren't even talking about being awful but getting some results, as we haven't been awful, there has been plenty of enjoyable stuff. We have had good wins against top sides in Wrexham, Charlton and Stockport. We have had comprehensive wins against Barnsley, Bristol Rovers and Exeter. We have nine wins from 20 home games, so basically won every other game. It really hasn't been at all bad.
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"Watching football on TV is dogshit, it simply serves a means if unable/unwilling to go to the game as you can still watch your team. But I hate it. It is not the same. It is boring. And not just us either. So if watching that way you need to at least have entertaining stuff on show. And you feel more distanced and more disassociated from your team, so winning doesn't feel as important. I am never as into it when watching on the TV, goals for or against are mostly "meh", and my annoyance or delight pretty much ends as soon as I turn it off, as opposed to staying for some time after the final whistle if having been at the game. Part of that being the whole match-going routines we all have."
This is exactly how I've gotten to the point where I don't watch anywhere near as many games as I used to.
When you're watching the game on TV, and you're not at the game enjoying the atmosphere, you're only really left with the standard of football and, let's be real, it leaves a lot to be desired. Which is where the desire to be entertained comes in.
But I don't even think it's about being too conservative, or not taking enough risks. It's the lack of cohesion in attack. It shouldn't look like every attack is entirely random and that the players are making it up on the spot. You can be conservative in style if you're efficient in attack.
Most other teams are also playing chaos-ball, so being organized is a way to set yourself apart, in a way that doesn't require a bigger budget or even different players (necessarily). No point being well organized defensively if you're not well organized going forward.
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Agree on the the TV/Attending, I was far more engaged when attending every home game and some away but now I don't live in the area I only get to see games on the TV and a couple of live ones.
And watching it solely on TV football is generally shit no matter who you watch (ManU/City yesterday was pony)
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Tbf I think even those at the game thought man u v man c was shit yesterday
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I think we are on TV Saturday?
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Your second paragraph is absolutely true. Much harder to be engaged remotely.
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I feel like the definition of shit football has changed. Yeah we're passing it around aimlessly without taking any goddamn shots but turn on any top league anywhere in the world and you'll see the same thing in half the matches. We were absolutely awful the other night at Stockport and it was still better than watching a Ben Nugent special against a League Two side made up of the people who the opposition manager found waiting for a bus outside the ground at 6.30.
We're in proper relegation form now but the players have sod all motivation.
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"We're in proper relegation form now but the players have sod all motivation."
In the past five or six games we are, but four of our last five have been away, and at Brum, Reading, Orient and Stockport at that, who are all very much chasing promotion. Stockport was the only bad performance in them, which as you say was indeed very bad, and we got rightly thumped as a result.
In the past 10, 15 and 20 games we are 18th, 14th and 12th, so the midtable side we are. I have no further/additional relegation fears over next season than I had this season. Not at this point anyway, should we lose some key players I may do, but doubt we will as they are under contract.
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Next season. I’d say it’s a strong possibility.
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Think there'll be 4 worst teams than us. The ones coming up from L2 are nowhere near as strong as Stockport and Wrexham either.
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Very happy we are staying up. I just think this team has so much potential that hasn’t been unlocked.
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Spurs fans have spent years moaning about negative football so they went and got an attacking manager...
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Let’s see how this post ages
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Are you suggesting we are going to be relegated?
Revs has the best home win percentage of all of our managers in League One, despite all the bitching after our games this season.
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Hi Alex.
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Erm yeah anyway, isn't it nice that the club will be a league one club next season considering all the worrying many of us had this season.
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