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Attendances - FAO of Chuds
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How are attendances holding up?
Against this time last year and against earlier in the season?
We can't afford to give the impression we are 'just seeing out the season' as that'll kill gates and impact the budget for next season.
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Re: Attendances - FAO of Chuds
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I have us averaging 3,962 for the season at present, which is our second-highest in our entire history. Higher than our L2 promotion season two years ago, but down on last season.
Feels a bit unfair to simply compare to last season owing to the new TV deal this season (and the fact last season saw us play a lot of sides for the first time in a long time, which leads to higher crowds), which has fucked attendances across the board, and was always going to, and it feels unfair to simply compare to earlier season too as it feels like every match we have played for the past few months has been fucking freezing and raining (I am SO sick of the constant shit weather this winter), as well as there being loads of midweek (and 12:30KO) games lately, which don't encourage large attendances and are all televised.
Suspect four or five of our remaining six matches will see good attendances too, so expect we will average over 4k for just the second time in our history, come the end.
So all in all holding up well, with an awful lot of factors to dissuade people from attending recently, some on the pitch, some not. But you feel we are going to need to see more from an entertainment/creativity/attacking threat sense for many people to commit to a ST next year.
Edited by Chuds at 22:58:22 on 20th February 2025
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Re: Attendances - FAO of Chuds
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There is a wide view on whether we are having a good season.
Is it possible to calculate the annual wages bill and work out him much each point has cost season to date versus the same period last season ? Then we get a unique KPI??
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Re: Attendances - FAO of Chuds
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No. We don't reveal that level of detail in our accounts, we only publish abridged accounts as per legal requirements IIRC.
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Accounts to 31 May 2024 should be out next week. Be interesting to see if we made a profit or loss.
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But abbreviated/abridged won’t give us a meaningful P&L only the b/s item in the capital reserves which will tell us absolutely nothing, unless no divi’s were paid out
But you know that Sev
Edited by Danny-da -Bass at 22:49:54 on 21st February 2025
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Re: Attendances - FAO of Chuds
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What does that mean in layman’s terms?
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That the basic accounts available to us won't give us much useful info as the profit and loss won't be included, only the statement of financial position.
We will be able to see our assets and liabilities, and compare them to last year, but won't have any breakdowns of profit and loss for the year.
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Aye, I was forgetting that we have the Tifosy investors now. I would normal assume no dividend as the only shareholders are Phil and the Supporters Association. I can't imagine either of them would have dividends.
But there was a 25% (of share cost) dividend paid on the Tifosy shares when we got promoted to League One so that might be in these upcoming accounts, not sure when it would have been paid? So that has to be taken into account when looking at the movement in reserves. There was 12,420 of them A shares and they cost £25 each so that dividend would have amounted to £77,625. So I'm going to claim a profit if the movement is more than minus £77,625 😄
There was meant to be the abolition of the exemption for small companies not to have to prepare a P&L but not sure on the timeframe for that coming. Certainly be more interesting when they have to publish a P&L as well.
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Re: Attendances - FAO of Chuds
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Given that Phil tends to pretty much balance things nicely I'd bet that we break even give or take 500k
Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 21:49:33 on 21st February 2025
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Re: Attendances - FAO of Chuds
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Some good points, cheers.
I wonder if we will get a straight answer at a fans forum from Phil as to whether the TV deal has hurt us financially overall.
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Re: Attendances - FAO of Chuds
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I would very much imagine we will be better off.
The previous revenue from the broadcasting deal was £119mil between the EFL clubs (plus about £7mil from streaming but that would mostly be the big clubs and we would have made very little from iFollow), and whilst we got a centralised payment for the TV deal, we were rarely selected for coverage, so didn't get any additional payments (was £20-30k per home game and £5-10k per away). The new deal is £180mil between the clubs (as I understand it the split is 70% Champ, 18% L1 and 12% L2). The suggestion was L1 clubs will be 25% better off from the new TV deal.
In addition to that we also get about £1.7mil per season from the solidarity and basic payments (compared to about £1.15mil in L2).
Edited by Chuds at 00:15:21 on 21st February 2025
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