BOROCHAT
Newest article: Re: Mansfield on TV by HitchinBoro exCalling Today 13:49Today at 13:49:59view thread
Oldest article: Play Offs by Mr Fickle19/10/2024 21:32Sat Oct 19 21:32:35 2024view thread
Next thread: WATN #826 by bcb19946/2 20:30Thu Feb 6 20:30:33 2025view thread
Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 988
All 72 football clubs in the National League today took the unprecedented step of supporting a letter to the English Football League (EFL) Board requesting a vote to create three promotion places into their league. Specifically, the National League is calling for an amendment to the regulations to allow “two-up” to become “three-up” in line with the rest of the football pyramid.
They are asking for this change in time for the forthcoming 2025-26 season.
I know they'll get told to fuck off, but thoughts?
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 864
We'd lose the entertainment value of Barnet finishing 2nd and messing up in the playoffs every time.
Jokes aside, it should happen on condition that financial rules in the National League more closely resemble those applied in League 2.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 838
Provided those who voted against it last time don't go up if they are in the third place.
So that probably fucks York, Oldham, Rochdale, Hartlepool and Southend. Which if so, fuck 'em.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 688
Totally agree re Rochdale they were one of the normal suspects who used to always finish bottom of old Div 4 but voted for themselves to stay in league under old system
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 464
Rochdale had to apply for re-election 6 times in total since the league was restructured into 4 divisions.
Hartlepool actually had to reapply the most times - 11 in total.
The old system was flawed. All member clubs would vote at the AGM whether or not to re-elect the clubs who finished in the bottom 4 and, on the vast amount of occasions, they would stick with the same clubs.
I can only remember Workington (1977) and Southport (1978) being voted out. They were replaced by Wimbledon & Wigan.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 512
My old man and his mate decided to follow Rochdale as a 2nd team when they were kids because they were always bottom of Div 4
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 515
Actually TBF to them I like Ian Henderson.For some reason he moved , post Norwich , to live in Hitchin .Have no idea why but hoped it might mean on way to us.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 831
From the comfort of League One, sure why not.
When we were in the Conference with just one up, Phil was one of the driving forces to get more promotion places.
Sure it might mean you fall out the "League" but increases your chances of coming back up again, so don't see it being a massive difference. There's a lot of side in the conference and League Two now that have been in both at some point. The established League sides should have a size advantage over the traditional non-league sides anyway.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 605
I agree. Can’t see the problem at all. In fact, what was the historic reason behind different leagues promoting/relegating different numbers anyway? That never made much sense to me. 3 up/down from each seems fair.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 464
There were 4 promotions/relegations between divisions 3 & 4 because they used to have more teams (24) than divisions 1 & 2 (22).
This changed when the top division reduced to 20 teams, making division 2 a 24 team division. This was also when playoffs were first introduced.
The non-league setup was more complicated until 1979 when the Alliance Premier League was formed. Before that there wasn’t a 5th division. Teams that wanted to enter the football league could apply & the existing clubs would vote whether or not to relegate any of the teams that finished in the bottom 4.
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 400
Aha! Interesting, thanks.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 566
Up until about 25 years ago, the football league was all professional clubs with professional players. Non-league was part time bin men having a kick about for a laugh and occasionally getting a go at kicking proper footballers in the FA Cup. They trained Tuesday and Thursday nights after their proper job.
Therefore the step up in going from a non league club and players to a proper football club was huge, and so initially it was voted on, based on the club proving they were proper and not some bankrolled hobby club like Rushden Anne Diamond.
Then in the 90s some upstarts like Wycombe, Kidderminster, Macclesfield, Stevenage etc decided to be more proper and go professional whilst non-league, leading to standard across the clubs and the conference national in particular raising to a point where all teams were professional and ready for the football league. Hence how 2 up 2 down came along.
There's still a lot of tinpot clubs getting into the national, but there's a lot more support now for getting clubs up to standard for the football league, so it does now seem out of place
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 498
Thanks, I understood that, my question was more about why all the different leagues feature different numbers of promo/releg. Was there ever a particukar historic reason for 2/3/4 up/down and why has it never been standardised across the board?
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 478
It is weird why there is 4 down from league one, I've never understood that
Time for Phil to start a campaign to make it 3 I think.
Edited by AndyC at 16:21:18 on 6th February 2025
reply to this article | return to the front page
1 person
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 472
Not until Cambridge are relegated
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 565
Agree but what you did not mention when the conference clubs were "ready" to go up for yrs the league clubs refused and still voted to keep the members as they were.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 558
Aye, which clubs were voted against after winning the league, but never made it up in the end?
Kiddy, Macc and us won the conference in 94, 95 and 96, but did not make the grade of minimum ground standards which needed to be in place by the December of that season, but we all got up in the end afterwards (eventually, for us, 14 years later). Funny how we're the only one still there now though)
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 436
The Alliance Premier League was formed in 1979 & became the 5th division. Automatic promotion didn’t come in until 1986/87 when Scarborough were champions.
The teams that won the division but were not voted into the league were Altrincham, Runcorn, Maidstone, Wealdstone and Enfield.
Maidstone did make it into the football league eventually but none of the others have been promoted.
reply to this article | return to the front page
2 people
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 550
My worry really is more than the PL and Championship try to break away and go down the route of Rugby , not sure if this both RU and RL but they bringing in a so called grading system .On this rumours are reincarnations of Worcester , Wasps and L Irish could not have to start at bottom but be placed in top flight or the championship straightaway
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 499
It's inevitable that the PL (maybe plus the Championship as PL 2) becomes a closed league.
Relegation risk creates uncertainty for 10-12 clubs, investors don't like uncertainty.
Hence the EFL will never vote for 3 up 3 down to the NL. Just increases jeopardy.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 515
I don't envisage a closed-league system any time soon. Politicians would shut down any attempts to do so given the electoral support this would command.
As for 3 up 3 down, the EFL will have their price. It would pass if enough money is on the table. Not sure who'd be stumping it up mind.
reply to this article | return to the front page
Re: Noisy fellas in the basement.
Views: 515
EFL has said they'll consider it once they have a new agreement in place with the Prem regards funding, could be 3/4 years
reply to this article | return to the front page
Previous thread: 9th and gone. by Balders22/1 12:53Wed Jan 22 12:53:45 2025view thread