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Mansfield
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See IFollow are doing an audio pass, is it on 3CR?
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I'm so glad i missed today's game through choice, the result was not a suprise.
Enough of this experiment.
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You missed an enjoyable match and best performance for months.
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I swear you and I must be fitted with the same footballing software, for every post you’ve put on this thread is almost word for word what I was saying during the match and after. I thought that first half was one of the best performances I can remember, certainly under Revs, and shows me that if he can coax that tune out of the players then clearly he is a better manager than many would give him credit for. We were so close, so often - look at that double strike by Kemp, one off the keeper then one off the line by the defender - if we score that and go ahead, I say we retain dominance of the entire game. I really could not have asked for more (other than a goal) from that half - a fast, accurate, skilful game full of pace, desire and some truly beautiful silky football. A real shame the deserved goal didn’t come.
But what is he thinking for those subs? Apart from Kemp, he basically took off any/all our goalscoring threats. List had been a great asset all game, yet off he goes. Young and his endless pace, off. And coming on the least likely scorers in the club. Not that Reid is necessarily the answer - I’m quite sure he wouldn’t have been. But it isn’t Simpson, nor Aboh in my opinion. Was he playing for a defeat, I thought? Surely not! But alas it was so.
Such a shame. That first half shows exactly what we can do, and if we played like that before, or on Tuesday, I think we’d be fine. But now points are at stake, will he revert to the perceived safety of Revball? Let’s hope not.
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Re: Mansfield
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We were talking at half time and agreed it was a great first half. It was so refreshing to see this team play as we believed they could. It was also mentioned that even a loss with this tempo would be bearable. Pleased with the performance and the chances we created, results will come.
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When you say played well, do you mean it was nice Barcelona style football and great for the purists.
Because that isn't a positive for me. That's the whole reason we're shit. Trying to play the perfect game and every now and then it coming off and still losing.
I want to see ugly football that results in goals and wins through grit, physicality and directness.
But most don't, they want the perfect goal and when your Stevenage in a league with Birmingham, Huddersfield etc that results in disaster.
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Played well as in opened them up and created a host of good chances, and dominated them for sustained periods.
We had considerably more possession but were camped in their half and making use of it, not just passing about sideways in our own half.
It was totally different to what it has been for months. I would probably say it was better than Peterborough away in the league, in terms of quality of play, attacking threat and chances created. We failed to convert them again, but at least created plenty, which we haven't done in a long time. Play like that and goals, then results, will come.
Edit: But as I said in my HT post, we have to play like that. If we revert to aimless hoofing on Tuesday then it has all been a waste of time and we won't do anything.
Edit 2: If the highlights show the diagonal ball (don't remember who played it, maybe Roberts) to Young, who controlled masterfully and laid it across for Kemp, who forced Pym into a double-save, or the ball to Kemp who flicked it back to Young before he shot over, I challenge anybody to watch those moves, attacking with pace and purpose, who wouldn't want to watch football like that regularly. It was lovely.
Edited by Chuds at 21:16:47 on 30th November 2024
Edited by Chuds at 21:19:34 on 30th November 2024
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Re: Mansfield
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I didn't see yesterday's game; I'm glad the first half was so much better. It doesn't change anything, alas, as far as the manager is concerned. You said yourself further down how negative the substitutions were. I hate to bang on about Young and Kemp, but they took League Two defences apart in the first half of last season. Watch the bloody video, Revs, then watch it again, and then explain why it has taken you so long to work them out.
I disagree with your contention that nearly all clubs in League One have improved their squads from last season. Peterborough and Blackpool fans would disagree for a start. However, I do think we have significantly improved ours, despite Freestone (waste of money) and Simpson (waste of space). What doesn't improve is the performance of the manager.
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On Freestone wonder why you think waste of money , not good enough (I disagree) or just way things have turned our not a regular ( I agree)
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Injuries have presented him with plenty of chances to impress, and he hasn't. Desperately one-footed.
I gather he was quite expensive, yet wheneveryone is fit he would struggle to make the bench.
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He probably needs a run of games rather than being in and out of the team with multiple different CB partners. That would likely only happen if Pidge is unavailable for a prolonged period of time.
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I think he has looked awful in every game he has played, at LB and CB, and am fearful whenever he plays.
He looks wholly one-footed, very clumsy, cannot pass and gets beaten so easily all the time.
Genuinely don't actually know what he offers.
Edited by Chuds at 14:59:26 on 1st December 2024
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Re: Mansfield
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I would be fine with it, and Simpson, if they were frees, but the fact we paid decent money for them both is very galling.
I know nowadays clubs are more likely to need to actually pay for players rather than picking up on a free, and we are always going to have to take chances on players owing to the size of our club and our attendances at this level (those refusing to come and watch us are just shooting the club in the foot) and we are never going to succeed with everyone we take a chance on, but in recent years it feels like we have started paying money a hell of a lot more often for players and many of them are not working out.
Thinking of thoae we have who we paid money for, Taye, Phillips, White and Goode (the injury very unfortunate as he was looking class) look like very solid investments, but Freestone, Simpson and Pressley look like big wastes of money. Young should be a good investment but we are very much not seeing the best out of him at present (not helped by playing out wide for some reason).
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I didn't realise we had to pay for Goode, but if we did it's fine. There is quite a player in there.
I find White incredibly frustrating at times. I'm sure he has a killer pass in him but too often elects to take the easy way out, square or back. Remember that goal against Port Vale? Seems a long time ago now.
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Pretty sure we paid for Goode - I view him as being the same as White and Pressley, that we paid to take them from a PL Academy, but don't remember now so maybe we didn't.
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Goode wasn't in the Acedemy. Fully-fledged first team player until injuries took their toll.
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Still contracted to them though wasn't he?
Edit: Apparently not, he was released when his contract expired. So presumably was indeed a free. Unless we had to pay money because if his age like we did Phillips, despite his contract having expired. Which is fucking mental.
Edited by Chuds at 17:05:47 on 1st December 2024
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Well, no. He's 29. Potentially an outstanding signing.
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Is he? Well bloody hell, I thought he was a good five or so years younger than that.
Consider me having learnt something today.
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Suspect he was invited to find another club and prove his fitness. He trained with us before we signed him on a 1+1.
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Even teams who are relegated have their good moments during games and over the course of the whole season. But if you can’t score goals then you don’t win matches and if you don’t win matches then you end up scrapping at the wrong end of the table. What makes you think that this manager can halt this awful run?
Edited by Rotterdamboro at 11:06:52 on 1st December 2024
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Re: Mansfield
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I often agree with you Rotters, but that first half was great football. I don’t think we can blame Revs for us not scoring, we created multiple chances. If we play like that again, and then maybe again after that, (and maybe one more time for luck?) goals will come. And with it, renewed confidence which is one of the most useful things in a footballer’s arsenal.
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But that's my point. Occasional good halves of football or missing chances are not good enough when you've only scored 11 goals in 16 league games and don't look like winning anymore.
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Hence us all saying how good it was, but caveating it with that it needs to be the norm, and that we need to win this week.
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It wasn't tippy tappy football but a whole hearted display of closing down the opposition to win the game. They didn't give them any time on the ball. They drove forward with speed with lots of running off the ball. Lots of goal scoring chances...Kemp was materclass...so quick in the tackle and with his distribution. Chalk and cheese compared to that debacle of a game against Orient.
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Re: Mansfield
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Yup, we had the same discussion. And said that had we played like that last weekend we would definitely have scored and won.
The performance today showed to me that the players are still on side and we very much still have it in us (result a big shame, but Mansfield were one of the toughest ties we could have been given in this round). But you cannot ignore such a long winless/goalless run, so the next two games against sides below us are vital. I still fully believe we won't be going down even if we keep Revs all season, whereas a new manager coming in may have the opposite affect of what we want and see us go down, but I get that many fans don't seem to agree, which is fair enough.
I also believe it won't take much at all to turn things around. Even something like playing as we did today and taking a couple of chances to beat Northampton 2-0 for instance, to get that monkey off our back, could be all that is needed to then go and beat Crawley and suddenly be on our way again and be well clear of any trouble. We just need to get out of the rut.
I enjoyed today and I have renewed optimism and am right up for Tuesday evening. That is key to me in believing we should hold firm, for now.
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Re: Mansfield
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I appreciate I only listened on the radio but that first half sounded like we had them by the balls.
Loads of possession, lots of shots, 3-4 on target.
Much improved. Only one winner (sadly)
They score from a corner and we fall apart, such is the fragility in the squad. Now that is down to Revs, but let's not pretend it wasn't a decent first half tactically.
Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 19:20:10 on 30th November 2024
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Not scoring when you're playing well is an issue, not scoring and conceding is just being shit.
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We didn't fall apart. We regained control and were dominating again.
Then we made a quadruple substitution, lost all momentum and did nothing the rest of the match.
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From the comments it felt like we needed to make a change (73 mins), it had gone flat with them slowing play massively didn't *sound* like we created anything much from about 55 minutes (they scored at 48).
Clearly the change didn't work, so arguably the subs were wrong, but something was needed.
Edited by BALDOCKBORO at 20:12:54 on 30th November 2024
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I suspect Luther and Young may have been fitness, as both been out with injury lately, but List was looking a threat and was replaced by Simpson/Aboh (depending on which replaced Young). All they contributed was giving away stupid fouls, not playing with anywhere near the right intensity (Aboh better than Simpson and did at least on occasiom try to run at them with the ball), and being incredibly naive/stupid. They simply are not anywhere near good enough. Why was Reid on the bench if he didn't come on whilst they did? Didn't even see Reid warm up at any stage either.
From that moment onwards Roberts turned to absolute shit too, failing to control anything and kicking everything out of play. Pidge was absolutely laying into him, having sprinted up the field for an attack, whilst the ref blew the final whistle.
We went from linking up well and looking dangerous, whilst controlling the game, to not being able to string any passes together and losing all threat in an instant. Was like the past handful of games after that sub, compared to a very decent showing prior to it.
Revs has the next week to save himself, and probably his whole managerial career. Fail to win either and that is ten without a win (if you call Guiseley a draw), including a bunch against shit sides below us, and he can have no complaints and has only himself to blame (misfortune with the injuries or not).
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Brilliant post.I was on the fence and yes saying how can we afford to change things etc, I can't things changing know though so think we should say goodbye Hope I am proved wrong.
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In terms of affording it, if you mean paying them off alone, I would be pretty confident that Revs and Cuthbert at least (no idea about Banfield) would not be that expensive, and that what we received from Rotherham for Evans will cover paying off the entire coaching team now.
The fear for me would be who we bring in, what they would cost, and whether it would have the opposite impact of what we hope and actually see us go down because they want a big turnover of players, something I am still very confident won't happen if we don't act. I partly believe this as the league so far is 90% exactly as I expected at the start of the season (Rotherham the big one I had very wrong). Taking Rotherham out (or moving them up one place), the bottom six is exactly who I said it would be before the season, because they are the worst six squads in the division and those I was confident we would finish above. I fully maintain that. Whereas most of those above us have better squads than us, despite us having our most expensive squad ever, which is why I believe anybody talking about we should be challenging for playoffs is chatting shit and doesn't know the league at all.
Edited by Chuds at 20:45:19 on 30th November 2024
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That’s the problem, we have one good half every few weeks and everyone thinks it’s all going to be okay… it’s not… stop burying your heads in the sand, we are only going one way and it’s not upwards !
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2nd half. We should have a strong start.
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Revs has got this in the bag.
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Mansfield - Match Chat
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A genuinely enjoyable and entertaining 45.
About 40 minutes of it spent camped in their half, dominating possession, attacks, shots and shots on goal. Played some delightful football too, with two attacks in particular that would have been wonderful team goals had Kemp and Young finished them off. Kemp, List, Young and Roberts all linking up really well and looking dangerous.
Sadly the only think missing is that goal (not quite sure how we haven't scored) but at least we have created plenty. Genuinely surprised and impressed by that opening half. Need to sustain it though!
If we play like this going forwards then we will start scoring and winning again, and nobody can have any complains about the football on show. "If" being the key word there!
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Russell Martin is also good at getting a team playing attractive, fluent football to absolutely zero benefit.
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Revs is robbing the club of a living. Out of his depth
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I think I said or thought similar after the Peterborough defeats.
Edited by Sev at 16:25:57 on 30th November 2024
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Oh FFS. How entirely predictable.
As expected they came out with something about them second half and won a corner early on, Cooper made a good save from the header from the corner, which went for another corner. That fell to their guy on the edge of the box, who volleyed it in through a crowd of bodies.
Edited by Chuds at 16:05:01 on 30th November 2024
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Re: Mansfield - Match Chat
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A good ole Revs halftime team talk 😀
Such a shame after a positive first half
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We have almost scored twice in response to their goal.
Pym making a very good save (from White I believe it was), the odious little c**t, and Nathan putting the resulting corner just wide of the post.
Edited by Chuds at 16:08:46 on 30th November 2024
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Having taken control again after their goal, we havr lost all momentum since the quadruple substitution. And the players who were linking up well and looking threatening are now mostly on the bench, replaced by Aboh and Simpson who are doing fuck all.
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Id Simpson is doing fuck all its an improvement at least.
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Stat on the radio - we've not scored twice or more in a match since September, when we beat Barnsley 3-0
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In the nine home games since then we've scored six goals for an average of two goals in every three home games.
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Yup.
Although we don't need to. Score one and win on penalties for the fourth time in six FA Cup games under Revs. Job jobbed.
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Mansfield move into time wasting mode.
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This will get very frustrating
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The thing I'm looking forward to most is Christy being a complete gentleman about the result.
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Amazing how they have two totally opposite people in the team. Lucas Akins, the absolute loveliest guy on and off the pitch, and Christy Pym, a cunt.
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Re: Mansfield move into time wasting mode.
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To be fair, he was hardly loved by us either!
I think the feeling is mutual
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Re: Mansfield move into time wasting mode.
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Bit like the borochat moderators.
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Re: Mansfield move into time wasting mode.
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Ha, true!
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Re: Mansfield move into time wasting mode.
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You're not a cunt Sev. Don't put yourself down.
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Re: Mansfield move into time wasting mode.
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😁😆
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It’s on 3CR
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I’m currently listening to it
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I believe I am correct in saying local radio can not broadcast in the FA Cup.
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They can, and actually are allowed to broadcast it on the Internet unlike league games, so anyone can listen on the bbc website and app.
Unfortunately though, it's radio Nottingham
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cn4veleje7lt
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Plus anyone know what if any suspensions we have , Roberts at least? FA site been down all week.
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3 coach loads of Mansfield just arrived at Mulberry Tree packed ,there were going to go into Wethers closed, apparently they had a fire in kitchen.
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Hopefully it remains closed forever, along with every other "Spoons".
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Each to there own.I love them.
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A fan of beers that are about to go off and buildings with the ambience of death and the aroma of piss then, whilst also making a piece of shit rich?
Each to their own indeed.
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😄 A discussion for perhaps another day and off forum.
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Unusual for an open flame to be in a Spoons kitchen. Just grills and microwaves, innit?
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You haven't had their flambéed crêpes Suzette?
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None.
Only red cards carry over into the FA Cup.
Edited by Chuds at 11:49:51 on 30th November 2024
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