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TVC
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A few rumours around the ground this evening he is off to Burton?
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Re: TVC
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Wish him all the best for the future. He's been a key part of our squad for years now and understand him wanting to move on at this point in his career.
Will clap him when he plays against us.
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Re: TVC
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With one season left on his contract and an offer of more than we valued him it can only be seen as good business.
He’s been a good servant to the club and I wish him well but I don’t feel like a massive brick has been pulled out of the wall on the eve of the season. We’re well covered at CB.
Everyone has a price, it would have been short sighted to not let him go because it’s Burton considering he made it clear he’d be off for free in the summer anyway.
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Re: TVC
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Football business. Thank you TCV for everything.
Onwards and upwards for Boro. Even with this manager.
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Having been one the players who was here under Revs disastrous last spell as Manager I suspect he feared what was going to happen this season and rejected a new offer to get out as quickly as he could…
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Alternatively as one of the players said to us in Jersey "We all expected Evans to leave so it didn't come as a surprise to us, and I don't anticipate much change as Revs was effectively managing us every day anyway."
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Re: TVC
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Was he managing us day to day since February by any chance?
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That’s really positive to hear and hopefully things work out a lot better for Revs than last time round..
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Despite that, I do have big concerns as this is the strongest L1 for a very long time, so I would just take staying up without any threat of relegation this season.
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Re: TVC
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Agree on that especially with the celeb , hobby clubs now in league.
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Same Shit, thanks call them franchises
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Gone for a significant fee, he didn’t want to stay and rejected a new deal so had to go.
Fair play by the club let hope the significant fee is enough for a few extra players though the door
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Absolutely gutted. If we are relying on Sweeney we definitely are in a relegation fight!
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The difference between top half and relegation is TVC leaving and Sweeney still playing?
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I never said we'd be top half. I said we'd finish below 18th even with TVC.
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And have a bet with Balders about, which I am custodian of.
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I'm glad you remembered.
I'd clean forgot.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Do we need to replace him? On Tuesday before the news broke I did my starting XI and actually forgot he played for us 🤣
I then put him in place of Sweeney (I was playing 3 at the back), but no we can just revert back to Sweeney or even NT
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Freestone is predominantly a CB too.
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Yeah but he was playing LCB in my formation.
That was just based on the players mainly featuring pre season. I couldn't decide on the midfield two.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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It's worrying though that we don't have any pace now. TVC would always make up for Pidge's lack of pace. I'd like us to sign a speedy CB if possible.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Freestone is he pacy, ? serious question as not sure.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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That kit is disgusting.
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Was the only red and white option on the free app I downloaded.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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I think it is brilliant 😃
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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That official statement feels classless, Phil has thrown him under the bus. Just say the offer was too good to turn down and we wish him well
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Our statements have always been the absolute bare minimum.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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I get we couldn't keep hold of him and a significant transfer fee (anyone know any rumours of how much?) but Burton? Seriously?
I thought he'd leave us for a Championship club eventually or, at a push, one of the whales in League 1.
He'll be missed.
A Boro legend through and through, thanks for everything TVC!
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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The word legend gets thrown around far too liberally.
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£500k.
Nowhere near good enough for the Championship, hence nobody at that level signing him.
I wouldn't even have him in any conversation of being a Boro' legend.
Edited by Chuds at 20:32:14 on 25th July 2024
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Disagree, think he could easily play Championship football with the right players around him.
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Yeah, premiership players around him
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so that he was carried by them?.
He is at his right level. I do not see him as a creative player and he was becoming the one you could guarantee would grab the shirt as they sailed past.
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Relying on having the right players around them means they are not good enough alone.
He is not a Championship calibre player and will never play there. Let's see who is right :).
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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He has improved massively in the time that Evans was in charge. He might have left on a free two years ago, so I guess we should call this good business. But I do think he is one of our best 3 or 4 players, and one of the few whose best days aren't behind him.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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He probably won't make it now with that move, but I've seen a lot worse CBs in that league.
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If Burton are doing creative accounting to get round the spending rules and with the number of players they've signed, they could be up there around the play offs at the end of the season
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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I wish the guy well he’s been a great professional for us. He’s been through the highs and some very lows with us but the one thing that sticks out is he’s never been the first name on the team sheet type player.
I certainly wouldn’t say legend, he’s been a terrific servant and a great pro but to put him in the same bracket as Gitts, Bazza, Robbo amongst others is a push.
500k if true is certainly worth more to us than a potential non 1st choice center back
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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7 years, more than 200 appearances, and was for a while there our best defender.
Just for sheer longevity he's got to be up there.
By comparison Moro made 127 appearances, Bostwick 195 appearances, Boyd 111, and Robbo 191.
Is he up there as one of our greatest defenders? Nope. Definitely put him behind Pidge, Robbo, Ronnie, and some of the others we've had.
But how many Boro players have exceeded 200 appearances?
Ronnie and Day come to mind but struggling to think of too many others.
For a club of our size and level that many appearances is a rare thing and deserves respect.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Before Evans came along he was one of the burglars who represented us in the worst period I have ever seen for players at Boro. To now get serious money for him is brilliant. he certainly improved and had a really good season in the 3 at the back L2 year. He was awful in midfield, that experiment really needed to end sooner.
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But how many Boro players have exceeded 200 appearances?
If only that info was available somewhere... /www.boroguide.co.uk/records/players/
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I never saw seven of the top 15 play.
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Assume Dessie and Smudger are two of those?
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Smith, Gittings, Gallagher, Cox, Tyler, Blackwell, Marshall.
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I saw 10 of them and one as assistant manager.
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Who was assistant manager?
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Noel Blackwell. Although you're probably going to tell me he was just a coach or something. I don't know, but he was in the dugout with Fairclough.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Was a genuine question, I also never saw Fairclough, let alone his coaching staff.
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https://www.boroguide.co.uk/players/200/
Caretaker manager too, I actually remember that now.
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He is 14th in our list of appearances.
He is not remotely close to being a club legend in my eyes.
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14th out of how many players?
Is he one of our best ever defenders? Nope.
Was he total crock and completely forgettable? God no.
He's been in our defence for 7 years, and quite a bit of that time one of our most important players at the back (when not injured).
I think being a club 'legend' isn't just about what you contribute to the club but also longevity and loyalty. Look at someone like Mark Noble at West Ham. Solid player and dependable but won nothing as a player and there were definitely better players that wouldn't be called a 'legend' at the club.
I'm not getting carried away. He's down a long list of legends. But he deserves respect and we've got more than 20-30 club legends in our history. So yeah I'd put him maybe in the top 30 to 50 (remembering that there will be a bunch I'm too young to remember).
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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I wouldn't say he has ever been our most important player, either at the back or otherwise. And you are not a club legend if you are 40th in the list of players.
I haven't said he doesn't deserve respect, nor hasn't been a great servant, but he isn't ever near the reckoning of club legend status in my eyes. You need to stand above the rest and be in a very special class for that.
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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You need to stand above the rest and be in a very special class for that.
And winning titles/trophies helps too.
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Not a legend in the true sense, that should be limited to actual legends, few and far between.
He's more like what Steve Bould was for Arsenal.
Edited by Sev at 21:26:30 on 25th July 2024
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Re: TVC - Confirmed
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Impressed you know fig you must be in the know Can we have a breakdown of whole agreement.
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No, centre back
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Can't pass for shit. Good defender for this level though!
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The best thing about this, apart from the money - thanks again Burton, is I will never again have to watch him look totally lost and out of position playing CDM for us.
Hated it every single time he played there. And Burns wasn't much better. I'd have had Louis T playing there ahead of them both every day of the week.
Edited by Chuds at 20:44:26 on 25th July 2024
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Akoto
To add to this story they signed this bloke today ,do they need TVC now.
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How many names does this guy need?
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If he’s going, his heart is no longer at the club.
Probably a blessing in the skies.
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It may have been that Burton approached us and we accepted the offer and told TVC that we've accepted a large offer for you, you are free to agree terms etc.
Then from the players POV if the club are happy to sell him then he's obviously not that important to them so why would he stay where he isn't needed.
Never been any mention of him being transfer listed or looking for a move.
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Really? His best years are ahead of him. If true I think its a very short sighted decision. He covers for Pidge's lack of pace. Bad decision if true.
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Hard to deny someone a life changing pay rise.
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Only 13 players have played more games for the club.
Thanks for the seven years, TvC, thanks for the £500k, Burton.
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Is it confirmed then? If so that's a massive loss. He's worth more than 500k in today's market surely?
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Not sure it’s that big a loss.
Decent versatile player, who didn’t seem to be first choice in any position.
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He's a starting cb? A very good one at that, at a great age, with pace and composure.
When your option is Sweeney then, yes, that's a big loss!
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He’s had one/nearly two full season of games with us in seven years.
Why? Either injured too much, or not first choice.
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Averaged 30+ games a season for several years now.
A Rolls Royce of a defender at L2/L1 level IMO.
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Played under 25 games 4/7 seasons.
Played over 30 league games once.
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People don't like to hear FACTS !
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For me it’s football evolution, he’s been here 7 years as we all know stay in the same place for too long and things go stale. Sell while your stock is high and this summer with a club with money is probably the peak of his value.
The last couple of summers we have been worried about loosing him for free and we are in the same position next summer.
He’s given us 7 good years he’s always been a model pro, yes he’s had his injuries but it seems right for both clubs and him. He will get a pay rise we get some revenue to keep things ticking over and hopefully some fresh blood in the door to help kick on this season.
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Would be a big loss but that money is too good to turn down if true.
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Of course Burton Albion aren't throwing half a million pounds about. Someone has put that out to try and stop fans complaining
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New ultra wealthy owners, and his market value at 26, going into his final contracted year is probably 150k.
If they've offered over 500k as reported, we'd be daft to say no.
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£150k would be cheap if we were a League 2 club in the current market. Freestone was £100k and that's with Cheltenham selling players on the cheap.
Anything below £350-400k would be disappointing.
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Doesn't matter how wealthy their owners are, there are rules about spending based on the football club turnover and the new owners have also said they will be creating a stable football club, not a shit or bust one.
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"League One and League Two Clubs follow the Salary Cost Management Protocol (“SCMP”) These state that Clubs can only spend a fixed percentage of its revenue on player wages etc. This limit can also be added to or impacted by equity injections..."
Haven't looked at it in great detail but it appears, for League One, only restriction is on players costs (wages etc) being no more than 60% of turnover plus 100% of "football fortune" No restriction on transfer fees.
The SCMP Requirement is a measure whereby a Club’s Player Related Expenditure (as defined in Appendix B) shall not exceed the sum of:
60% of the Club’s Relevant Turnover (as defined in Paragraph 1 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period, plus
100% of the club’s Football Fortune Income (as defined in Paragraph 2 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period
https://www.efl.com/governance/regulations/#heading-appendix-5-financial-fair-play-rules
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Or sneaky backhanders to an agent
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Reply so If does not matter then where turnover comes from ? if yes in effect pointless.
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Football club owners are always very transparent.
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Someone just rented Burton’s function room for £500,000 a year.
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Yep creative accountancy.They just get another so called indenpent party to do this ,in reality same concern under a different name .
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Why do you think they’re not?
They’ve signed 9? players with fees so far this summer.
Edited by Paulio at 11:02:04 on 24th July 2024
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Indeed, BBC say they've signed 16 players before TVC. If they bung us half a million on top of all that spending they'll be straight in the EFL offices about their spending being way above their income
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So If it's true but not that amount how much of a lower fig do you think we should accept if anything , just wondered .My view is we should reject transfer request and try to negotiate a new contract.
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It'll be reported as a six figure sum. Probably similar to what we paid for Freestone, maybe a bit more.
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Sowe may let him go for say £120000.00 ish then .If so not with it for us imo..
Edited by HitchinBoro exCalling at 14:23:42 on 24th July 2024
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Probably 100k up front, and then loads of payments based on performance, eg another 50 if he plays 50 games for them, 50 if they get promoted etc etc
So true fee never known, and it might only get anywhere near £500k if every clause is met in his career
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Wouldn't shock me if they were considering some of their signings this summer and their new ownership.
Plenty of teams in the league now have that kind of spending power.
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Where is the 500k being reported?
Or is it just an ITK guesstimate?
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Heard it from multiple sources last night.
May all originate from the same place and be wrong, of course. May be accurate. We will probably never find out.
Edited by Chuds at 07:54:44 on 24th July 2024
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We never disclose precise fees, incoming or outgoing do we?
Of course Burton might in due course, or TVC's agent if it aids his reputation.
Wonder what we will spend it on? Keith is doubtless preparing a business case for a new washer/dryer.
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Who or did they just hear it too from other *sources"edit sent before Chuds clarification
Edited by HitchinBoro exCalling at 07:56:52 on 24th July 2024
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Re: TVC
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Yeah it does seem odd with him being at the ground last night and actually on the bench if it was that close.
The only thing that makes me believe it was the person who was chatting about it before the game knew we had a new trailist and who he was before the teams where announced so they must have some insider info.
Edited by RussD81 at 08:34:30 on 24th July 2024
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Last night's outfield trialist was a striker unless you mean another trialist is in the wings .
Edited by HitchinBoro exCalling at 08:39:19 on 24th July 2024
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No sorry I really need to use punctuation.
He knew who the trailist was before it was even announced in the ground that we had an outfield trialist
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Because theyre one of the wealthiest clubs in the country
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Are they? This doesn't read like their new owners will be splashing any cash
https://www.theleaguepaper.com/latest-news/425808/new-burton-co-owner-bendik-hareide-vows-to-create-a-sustainable-club/
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Football clubs will soon just be brands.
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Good business from us.
Good luck TVC. A Boro great.
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I would rather he stayed and signed a new contract . Plus why would we have named him in last night's squad at all.
Edited by HitchinBoro exCalling at 07:52:45 on 24th July 2024
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I assume we named him to push Burton to up their bid or get their finger out to get the deal done pronto.
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I wouldn’t have expected Burton to be the kind of club TVC would be aiming for? Didn’t we always expect him to move up a league if he left us, or certainly to a much bigger club? Seems an odd move career-wise.
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Probably a significant wage hike I'd imagine, however I think that's the thing bugging me most. Thought if he went, it would be to a Championship club. Still nothing confirmed yet...
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Re: TVC
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I heard a story about a Champ player considering an offer to join a league 1 club that was incredibly paying more. This season is gonna be a toughy.
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Birmingham are spending like it's going out of fashion.
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Can't go six hours without another tweet about how Brum have spent £500k on some youngster from a Prem side.
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Can’t wait for them to finish 8th.
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I think, on this occasion, they'll pip Wrexham to the title.
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Burton
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The latest club to turn into a brand.
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No need to be bitter
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You must have had that one brewing for a while.
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